Sunday, August 1, 2010
One of the blogs I follow, which is usually rational, came down on the same side as thrice-married Newt Gingrich and Palin, so I thought I would share it here, along with my response:
I don't often defend Islam; I don't much like any religious ideas at all. But I hate bigotry. Really, I'm not defending Islam, I'm defending people (who happen to have kooky ideas), that are facing national pressure simply because they want to build a YMIA (Young Men's Islam Association (Yes, I made that up)). (As a side note, the YMCA has officially changed their name to the Y, because everyone calls them that anyway, and they want to be more inclusive. That's never a bad thing).
Feel free to weigh in on your opinion of the building, or the national right-wing freak-out.
UPDATE: Response from the blog author:
UPDATE II: My further response:
Sunday, May 9, 2010
- The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution (wiki)
- The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe without Design (wiki)
- Climbing Mount Improbable (wiki)
- A Devil's Chaplain: Reflections on Hope, Lies, Science, and Love (wiki)
- The Extended Phenotype: The Long Reach of the Gene (wiki)
- The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution (wiki)
- The God Delusion (wiki)
- River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life (wiki)
- The Selfish Gene (wiki)
- Unweaving the Rainbow: Science, Delusion, and the Appetite for Wonder (wiki)
- God's Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most Important Question - Why We Suffer
- Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (And Why We Don't Know About Them) (wiki)
- Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and Faiths We Never Knew
- The Lost Gospel of Judas Iscariot: A Look at Betrayer and Betrayed
- Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why (wiki)
- God: The Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows that God Does Not Exist (wiki)
- Has Science Found God? The Latest Results in the Search for Purpose in the Universe
- The New Atheism: Taking a Stand for Science and Reason
- Not By Design: The Origin of the Universe
Tuesday, April 20, 2010
Tuesday, April 13, 2010
We are members of the SSA and I am in contact with Lyz (who is awesome). I sent her this article and we'll see what she has to say.
as the current intern at the Secular Student Alliance, I would highly recommend getting in contact with our campus organizer, Lyz Liddell. You can find her contact info at www.secularstudents.org. She has a great deal of experience dealing with uncooperative universities.
db2:I don't think we're quite at the point where we want the ACLU. Many groups have trouble getting recognition, and we'd like to go through all possible channels at the school.
Call up the ACLU. We're just a bunch of random internet users here and can't help much more beyond typing a pithy comment and clicking "save".
I'm sympathetic, but I get the feeling there's more to this story. You say you have made attempts "to begin a dialogue" and gotten nowhere; they claim they don't have your application.
This organization is run by a real person. When you go to that person and talk to them, what precisely do they say? They can't just say they won't talk to you. You gave the application to someone; why can't you go to that someone and say, "Hey, what happened to the application I gave you?"
Ultimately, the head of the OSA who supposedly won't talk to must have a boss, so you should be talking to that person. Going to the campus newspaper is fine as it calling out the ACLU and such, but you need to escalate internally as well.
We have actually submitted to be a group more than once. Members went before a panel and were denied recognition specifically due to our name. This most recent time, our paperwork is claimed to be lost. We are meeting tomorrow to go through our paperwork and see what to do next. And we didn't write the article, we were sought out and interviewed.
DetpackJump:To be clear, we are not looking to be associated with religious groups. At our school, religious groups are all part of what is called the Office of Spiritual Life, which we have chosen to not be a part of for reasons I will outline in a future post. On top of that, we address much more than religious concerns, for example we have had discussions recently on vegetarianism, drug policy reform, the rise of militia groups, Alternative medicine, and a screening of Persepolis.
To be honest though, if the reasoning you give is that since they can organize and get funding, then we should organize and get funding, people are going to see them all as the same type of thing. The average Christian who hasn't given much though to any of the philosophy concerning atheism is going to have trouble categorizing an atheist group as non-religious if they're asking for all the same privileges as religious groups.
omginternets:We actually do have Muslim groups in action, and while I don't share their beliefs and I think those beliefs are harmful, I would never protest their existence.
Make a group called "Muslims in Action", watch people rage, and then put on your best cool-face.
mondo_ghosto:Assume for a moment that there is a Christian group called Christians Advocating Religious Expression. With an acronym of CARE, must it be assumed that everyone not Christian lacks the ability to care? That is absurd. SANE can be viewed in the same vein.
Even a completely impartial board would have reason to deny your group classification if its name could be interpreted as insulting or insensitive to students with opposite beliefs. It sounds like you pulled a dick move and are now having to deal with the fallout, which is probably compounded due to the religious leanings of the school.
Tames:Yes. They saw it and their heads' asploded.
That is a fucking awesome acronym, SANE. Did they deny you it because it is so badass?
bellavagabond:As I said above, we do more than talk about what we don't believe. We talk about science, reason, and logic, and what we see as the outcome of follow them. While I feel for your dragon issue, we don't live in society where 85%+ of the population does believe in dragons, and implores you to believe in them as well. Or where less than half of the population would be willing to vote for you as president simply based on your lack of belief in dragons, the only group receiving a majority of disapproval, by far. Additionally, you have confused a reasonable lack of belief with a 100% statement of positive lack of existence, which no one but you has stated.
Same thing happened to me! I tried to get funding because I do not believe in dragons. I was continuously denied and discriminated against, even though I am 100% positive dragons do not exist.
How could you have a organisation? It is like saying setting up an org for people who don't collect stamps.
That's all for now, we'll see where the exposure takes us.